the relationship between iran and the united states has never recovered. and that was from my documentary "god's worries," two years ago. with me to continue this discussion, john limbert, the former u.s. diplomat who was one of the hostages in tehran. and columbia university professor gary sitt, author of the blog on iran and president of jimmy carter's security council, and joining me again, ibrahim asgharzdeh, one of the mastermind of the hostagetaking. you saw one of the spokesmen for the students there. what was your reaction when you heard her now just personal? >> i never had the pleasure of meeting her until the end. i understand that her name is milufah and not masumeh. after the revolution people did make some changes. now whatever it is, what i -- what i'm hearing, christiane, is an awful lot of rationalization for an act that people know was -- was an ugly act. and a very -- and an act with very negative consequences for iran, for iranians. and as much as they rationi izl it, as much as they say we were young, we were this, we were that -- >> y